Curse

Mad King Corn · Aug 12, 2008, 07:17 PM // 19:17

/signed Spawning power is the worst primary in the game....totally worthless!

Nightow · Aug 12, 2008, 07:23 PM // 19:23

/signed, spawning needs a buff even if communing is now the bastard child of attributes with Anet, taking elites away from it.

And while we're on the subject, let's reduce the energy cost/recharge on this fella' here ---> [shelter]

k? Great!

-Makai- · Aug 12, 2008, 07:25 PM // 19:25

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Originally Posted by upier

Ohh and change spirits so that you can have multiple version of one spirit present on the battlefield at any given time (PvE ONLY once again!).

Since Ritualist monsters re-create spirits on recharge, I could see this getting way out of hand. Maybe if only players could use it?

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Originally Posted by Crom the Pale

I like the idea of gaining +1 energy for each 3 points in spawning power when you drop an item. The problem with that is it could be abused in some instances where there are items that require a player to cary it, crystals in the Elona Reach mission for example or Flags in PvP.

It would be feasible to only allow this on item spells since they already have an inherent difference from bundles: movement speed.

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Originally Posted by tmakinen

Oo ... that would be major imba. Pop a Bloodsong, Sin Promise, repeat until anything in the vicinity gets instagibbed by 20+ Bloodsongs hitting simultaneously.

But of course. AP is upier's best friend.

upier · Aug 12, 2008, 07:42 PM // 19:42

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Originally Posted by Sante_Kelm

Since Ritualist monsters re-create spirits on recharge, I could see this getting way out of hand. Maybe if only players could use it?

Spirits still have insanely long recharges unless you use a skill to modify that.
I don't remember many foes that would be running around with RL or AP as their secondary.

The only guys that might be pose a problem are the Char baddies which cast Anguish in GWEN. But then again - spirits still are static, still have the stupid AI, low HP and low armour.
It might make the game a bit more challenging then it is now - but considering the easy-fest we are playing now - that wouldn't be that much of an issue.

I don't see it being worthy of much consideration in a game where PvE foes have static skillbars.
(Besides for that X numbers of areas where the spirits MIGHT get out of hand (foe the not-so-skilled players)- one can always use the newly buffed Consume Soul.

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-Makai- · Aug 12, 2008, 07:50 PM // 19:50

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Originally Posted by upier

Spirits still have insanely long recharges unless you use a skill to modify that.
I don't remember many foes that would be running around with RL or AP as their secondary.

The only guys that might be pose a problem are the Char baddies which cast Anguish in GWEN. But then again - spirits still are static, still have the stupid AI, low HP and low armour.
It might make the game a bit more challenging then it is now - but considering the easy-fest we are playing now - that wouldn't be that much of an issue.

I don't see it being worthy of much consideration in a game where PvE foes have static skillbars.
(Besides for that X numbers of areas where the spirits MIGHT get out of hand (foe the not-so-skilled players)- one can always use the newly buffed Consume Soul.

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I understand that long recharge times would have an effect on monsters, but a lot of Ritualists cast their spirits well before you encounter them. Spirits that have duration based upon attribute level might cause a problem, especially in HM.

Oh, and I'm almost positive Consume Soul was changed to counter the awesomely overpowered Order of Undeath. A little Ritualist justice with all those N/Rts floating around. I tip my tinfoil hat to you.

centur · Aug 13, 2008, 12:27 PM // 12:27

Imo a lot of ideas here will be very overpowering for Rits. Rits are fine in PvP (and Anet dont want to break that fragile balance).
But they need some long lasting bonuses in PvE, where you much heavily using skills and spells.
Imo following good ideas for carefully balancing:

1. Add some mana or more defence (not +10 insignia, but at least +20, we loosing shield with urn) while holding an item (depending on spawning power attribute or nor)

2. Small mana gaining while create or drop urn - will help using offensive urns like "Cruel was" and "Grasping was"

3. Rebalance spirits that they benefit more (or suffer less damage) from primary attribute.

4. Add bonuses for "casting weapon spell while holding an item", e.x. - gain 1 mana for each 8 points in SP - this will fit ritualist role very well but this can add a lot of misusing.

5. Maybe add soul reaping effect for spirits dying, because Rits close to Necros by their nature.

6. And add a Hex for spirit attacks targeting =))) so we can focus spirit fire on some dangerous enemy, not on random pets running around

Personally I dont like idea with multiple spirits, and rethought an idea about ranger gimmic with SP=expertise, that reduction should affect only Spirits\Item Spells, but no more:
imagine what you can do on 16 sp with "Attuned was" 53% reduction an ~50% from attribute benefit if it will affect all spells... Quite all free skills, and Eles will woe about "attuned rits are better nukers". Dont forget the "meta" that cost reduction have inner benefit to e-regeneration (you will regenerate spell energy cost faster with reduction, because your 10e will be 5e with cost reduction).

PS: Hope Anet reading our suggestions, and we dont spend our time uselessly. We can make a petition =) if anyone write it in good official english =)

kazi_saki · Aug 13, 2008, 01:55 PM // 13:55

/signed for whatever stuff they suggest here. I read all of them and they sound pretty good. I love my rit and you guys love urs so LETS SUPER SAIYAN DAT SPAWNING POWERX!!111!

rohara · Aug 13, 2008, 04:09 PM // 16:09

i'd like to see a buff on spawning power and spirits also. i play a rit flagger in gvg, and i can take down an enemy recuperation spirit with caretaker + channeled strike. what a waste of 25e on the enemy rit's part. defensive spirits (ie. ones that don't attack) should not be so pathetically easy to kill. a level 8 recup w/ 3 spawning power only has 179 health ffs. that's a 25e 45 sec recharge spirit. there is no reason to even bother speccing into spawning power - let's say you are insane and spec 9 into spawning power, recup now has a whopping 218 health. woohoo? you can still sneeze at it to kill it.

spirits are in desperate need of a health and armor buff, and having a good reason to spec a bit into spawning power would be nice. i'd like to see spawning power act a bit like leadership or soul reaping - scaled energy gain upon spirit death and maybe even pot dropping. item spells could use some love too - there are so few item spells worth sacrificing your weapon bonuses for.

N1ghtstalker · Aug 13, 2008, 04:41 PM // 16:41

/signed for buff on Spawning power
playing ritu is fun but the spawning power attribute is just not of use in alot of builds

newbie_of_doom · Aug 13, 2008, 08:41 PM // 20:41

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Something like: For each point in Spawning power you have, your AoE skills have 5% more range.

HELL YEAH. GOGO SPLINTER WEAPON AND SPIRIT RIFTS AND ZEALOTS FIRE. YEYE 16 SPAWNING POWER 15 CHANNELING RITS FTWWWWWWW.

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